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“read both Flipping Out and Off the Derech”
I have read both and I have cited parts from both over the years-
BTW-Flipping Out is in reality a book made up of 3 different authors works on different matters.
Joseph Kaplan wrote in part:
“The ACLU’s position is completely irrelevant except for those who like to make it into a bogeyman.”
The ACLU’s role in rendering the public arena, including public schools a religion free zone, based on its absolutist reading of the Establishment Clause at the expense of and the degrading of the importance of the Free Exercise Clause is well documented.
“IH on October 26, 2012 at 5:06 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhdwAs47Cyc
A very interesting short talk by R.D. Freundel at the Symposium on The Jewish Vote and the Presidential Election a few days ago on Reproductive Rights.”
Thanks for the link it was very interesting. Rabbi Freundel is also one who is very active in ritual areas also see eg the following fragment which just eliminates the name of the community involved that shows Rabbi Freundel is interested in Halacha.
“We reviewed all of the findings with the eruv’s original designer, Rabbi Barry Freundel, the Rav of Kesher Israel in Washington, and a nationally-respected authority on hilchot eruvin. Rabbi Freundel oversaw the construction ….Eruv and is the Rav HaMachshir, or sanctioning rabbinic authority. In hopes we could work with Rabbi Freundel to resolve this difference in interpretation this week, we sent photos and video of the two areas to Rabbi Freundel but he is unable, without viewing the areas in person, to make a determination. He is able to arrange travel to … next Wednesday for this purpose.
Steve Brizel on October 28, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Joseph Kaplan wrote in part:
““The ACLU’s position is completely irrelevant except for those who like to make it into a bogeyman.”
The ACLU’s role in rendering the public arena, including public schools a religion free zone, based on its absolutist reading of the Establishment Clause at the expense of and the degrading of the importance of the Free Exercise Clause is well documented.”
See their website
http://www.aclu.org/religion-belief/free-exercise-religion
SI want to make sure I understand you. Do you think it’s okay to have christmas carols, christian prayers and nt bible readings as long as we can have Jewish clubs in public schools? (Your point about some Jewish teachers is not really worth much to this discussion.)
I have no objection to any constitiutionally protected exercise of free religion in any public facility. Only someone who lacks confidence in or does not practice his or her own religion perceives a state sanctioned religion ala the Church of England or worse in the USA.
You simply can’t answer a question so you change the topic. Not speaking about the ACLU or lousy teachers or state sanctioned religion. Asked a simple question: do you think it’s okay for schools to force Jewish elementary school kids in public school to choose between OTOnH singing christmas carols, reciting christian prayers and reading from the NT and OTOtH having to take a stand in front of their friends and refuse to do so. Elementary school kids. It’s a simple question that can be simply answered: you think making them choose is okay or it’s not. But I don’t really expect an answer. Just interested how you’ll change the issue again.
Joseph Kaplan-would you ever permit a client to answer a question that was a conclusion consisting of unproven facts? I am not in favor of public schools being free from the protections offered by the free exercise clause of the First Amendment. I believe that the option should be available for ” to have christmas carols, christian prayers and nt bible readings as long as we can have Jewish clubs in public schools”.
Mycroft wrote in part:
“See their website
http://www.aclu.org/religion-belief/free-exercise-religion”
Show me one link from the ACLU where it was either lead counsel or filed an amicus on free exercise grounds in favor of the building of a shul, mikveh or eruv on free exercise grounds or did not view the establishment clause as prohibiting government aid to secular functions and studies in a parochial school.