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From p. 539 of America’s Grace (on Google Books):
On the following page he tells the story about the LCMS meeting I retold from his telling at the lecture. In the book it ends more pointedly.
Sounds awfully familiar…
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4181776,00.html
seems relevant to previous conversations
If anyone attends the presentation shortly at Beit Avi Chai, please send us a report. Hopefully a link to the Avi Chai data, or at least a summary, will be forthcoming.
Also note in regards to the so-called “Culture War” between secular and religious:
“Three percent were “anti-religious seculars” (compared to 6% in 1999), 43% were “seculars” (compared to 46%), 32% “traditional” (compared to 33%), 15% “religious” (compared to 11%) and 7% “haredi” (compared to 5%).”
IH
does this show anything about individual Israelis becoming more religious, or merely that the religious are reproducing more quickly than the secular?
“IH
does this show anything about individual Israelis becoming more religious, or merely that the religious are reproducing more quickly than the secular?”
Read the article. The division between secular, tradition etc, is purely sociological and really doesn’t say much about a person’s level of observance or belief.
“Moshe Shoshan on January 29, 2012 at 12:54 pm
IH
does this show anything about individual Israelis becoming more religious, or merely that the religious are reproducing more quickly than the secular?”
Relevant question to US with changing words to MO and Chareidi. Is change in percentages change in reprodcution,
HAGTBG wrote in part:
“I ordered asparagus at L’Bella to be served some sorry excuse missing the tip. Who wants that?
That’s funny-We live across Main Street on one of the side streets paralllel to Jewel Avenue-and we have gone there for dinner more than a few times. The food, now rated “A” by the City, is excellent, albeit not cheap.
Steve b. – “The food, now rated “A” by the City ….”. The food in NEVER rated by the city – the A has nothing to do with the taste or quality of the food.
i can deal without vegetables at the fancy restaraunts, but i want the strawberries back in my strawberry shortcake
STEVE:
1) the city only rates hygiene and cleanliness, not quality
2) is it possible you don’t know (or don’t remember) any better?
does this show anything about individual Israelis becoming more religious, or merely that the religious are reproducing more quickly than the secular?
Moshe — a cursory comparison of the ynet-reported Avi Chai data with the official government data is interesting:
Charedi 7% vs. 8.2%
Dati 15% vs. 11.7%
Mesorti 32% vs. 38.5%
Chiloni 46% vs. 41.4%
Which, on the surface, leads me to believe the issue is not primarily birthrate.
The thing I found most striking, however, was the 3% of the demographic that viewed itself as anti-religious – a segmentation that Avi Chai has, but official government data does not. 3% is way out of line with what seems to be believed among the religious sectors (including DL).
“Across the range of Christian denominations we see a disconnect between the leaders at the pulpits and the people in the pews.”
True-but the following is probably more universally true
.Across the range of denominations we see a disconnect between the leaders at the pulpits and those in theological seminaries and the people in the pews.
http://kavvanah.wordpress.com/2010/10/24/american-grace-robert-d-putnam-and-david-e-campbell/
Putnam’s 2011 data will appear as an epilogue, I’m told, in the forthcoming paperback edition due out in February. And he will also have an article in the next issue of Foreign Affairs.
Shaul Maggid’s point is salient.
but see here and how in Gur – which is perhaps the strictest about gender separation issues – the focus is indeed on the man and men are instructed to dress with tznius
http://www.haaretz.co.il/magazine/1.1626906
“Charedi 7% vs. 8.2%
Dati 15% vs. 11.7%
Mesorti 32% vs. 38.5%
Chiloni 46% vs. 41.4%
Which, on the surface, leads me to believe the issue is not ”
Combining chareidi and Dati and also combining Mesorati andchiloni gives roughly the same percentages in both estimates.
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